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Background post from a month earlier (Feb. 10th 2007 4:46 am):
Roger E. Blumberg wrote (to Stephen) at the Newsgroup alt.guitar.beginner.
From: Roger E. Blumberg
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 4:46 am
Subject: Re: K.I.S.S.
Of course it is. Of course oneness is oblivion. If there is no "other" there in no "there". If there's no "there" there can only be "here". If there is no "there" there is no "thing-ness" and "no-thing else" -- meaning there is nothing, zed, zero, oblivion.
What you want and are describing, I think, is actually _zero_, not one. Zero could not conceive of the idea of 1. 1 is alone, and separate. Zero is oblivion, and that's what you're wanting. Maybe we're all wanting it, who knows. If there is 1 there is "something", and then there is everything else, i.e. "the nothing-ness" apart from 1 is "the else". You want true and total absolute nothing-ness, which is zero. Black Holes I guess are Zero. They will absorb, assimilate, every last "1" until there is only "0". Absolute Zero, the last and biggest Black-Hole, would have no way to gauge an otherness, a 1-ness, a something apart from 0, itself. It not only couldn't, there simply would be nothing else apart from itself. Zero couldn't compute a "1", 0+0=0. And it would have no need to, no desire to, no motive or will to. It would be complete, whole, hole, 0. All same. O-blivion.
The (main) Thread — jumping-in mid-thread . . .
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2007
Subject: Re: UK Musicians read this now!!!!!!!!!
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/msg01681.html
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:47:23 GMT
Stephen, it was _The Church_ who forgot the tenants, and who in fact knew what was going on, and looked the other way for decades if not centuries. It was rampant by all accounts, measures and standards. It's way way beyond disgraceful, and way beyond criminal.
Do you remember, what was it now 15 years ago?, Sinead O'Connor's Saturday Night Live bit, tearing up a picture of the Pope? It was priests sexually abusing and raping children, THAT was her primary point and motivation -- to say THIS --> PRIESTS RAPING CHILDREN <-- MUST STOP! She was _way_ ahead of the pack. Artists often are -- the first to get there, scouts, look-outs, town-criers, sounding to bell, the wake-up call, and having the guts and passion caring and concern enough, the heart, to say what must be said.
Whether or not people listen is up to them.
Roger
‘From: Stephen Calder
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:30:02 +1100
I am not interested in any crusade and I don't espouse causes. For one, thing, there are too many of them.
I have one cause and that's enough for me.
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:23:28 GMT
And that cause being you, yourself, and you? Or to be ever-in-a-state-of-bliss?
But you think we're all You anyway. And that there is no time. And that we've already "joined" you. In heaven. In your Eternal Reality. So everything's ok with you. It's already happened. We are "one" in heaven already. What Church did you get your crazy *** from? Almost all religion and so-called "spirituality" is crazy *** of one kind or another. Most of it is still sheep mentality _plus_ fairy-tale delusions. Most of it is still premised on God or space-men to come riding in to the rescue.The universe does _not_ care, So we had better. That's the only sane belief-system. "God's will", as the all-purpose excuse and sedative, isn't good enough.
Stephen, I like you and you know that, and we share any number of
perspective, but not all. I hope none of that was personally insulting to you. On one hand you're unshakable in your beliefs, you say, and so it should roll off your back, but just in case.
Roger
From: Stephen Calder
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:01:59 +1100
[And that cause being you, yourself, and you? Or to be ever-in-a-state-of-bliss?]
The cause is the end of suffering for everyone
Stephen
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:47:56 GMT
Equals Treat Equals Equally
0+0=0
The End of Suffering
. . . if there's still enough time -- and time, Stephan, is the thing in the
equation that still bothers me. If Maya doe's know the answer, please bring her, now. It's time.
P.S. Mike Mandaville supplied line-one.
Roger
From: Stephen Calder
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:58:41 +1100
[P.S. Mike Mandaville supplied line-one.]
Astounding
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:00:15 GMT
[Equals Treat Equals Equally
0+0=0
The End of Suffering]
This is fine if you understand it.
I believe I do understand it, and that it is the first thing about me, really, who I really am. Do you understand it?
We are equals, by the way, you and I.
Yes I know. And we all are, equals, is the larger point of course. We do all have to play by the same rules though. It is in fact The Golden Rule, or a refinement of it, the "do unto others" rule. It is shared by virtually all religions. It is "the" formula. There is really no reason we couldn't have been playing by that same rule all along, I mean we _do_ all have the same rule already, but we . . . . forgot?
if there's still enough time -- and time, Stephen, is the thing in the equation that still bothers me. If Maya does know the answer, please bring her, now. It's time.
She's going to say what she always does: I am an illusion. There is no time, only an appearance of time. "Ask and you shall receive" is a universal truth.
But I have asked, and asked, for many things, and not unreasonable things. Am I simply impatient? I don't think so. Am I asking for the wrong things? I don't think they're wrong. Am I asking the right things but just not _all_ the right things? Am I putting myself and my needs before others too much? I don't think I am, and in fact the opposite may be true. It's hard at some point to separate the two though, I will admit. Which of my needs are not their needs, and visa versa. That one can make a person crazy I think. Have you solved that part of the puzzle Stephen?
P.S. Mike Mandaville supplied line-one.
Astounding.
Why does that astound you? I don't recall how it happened exactly, but last night I read every single one and word of Mike's posts for the last four months, as many as there were in my news-reader cache, and I found him fascinating, enough to spend those four hours doing it if that tells you anything. I think I like him, quite a bit actually, what I've been able to ascertain so far just by doing that alone I mean. I'm still puzzled by a few things, but that doesn't really bother me right now. I could be blind, suckered, and duped, hood-winked, proven wrong in the end, but on the face of it at least I don't think I or anyone has anything to worry about. Someone accused me recently of perhaps _being_ Mike Mandaville in disguise, who until just last night had somehow escaped my radar completely. I didn't even know who Mike was. But I think I may have to count it as a compliment now, that mistake in identity -- but then, we are one anyway ;-)
By the way, it occurred to me after my last post that our equation works now. I mean the "all same and no opposites" part, where we left off last time:
Equals Treat Equals Equally
All same and no opposites.
0+0=0
It _is_ possible Stephen.
and to everyone's satisfaction.
Astounding
Roger
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:18:21 GMT
newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/msg02009.html
Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
Equals Treat Equals Equally
0+0=0
The End of Suffering
Stephen writes: This is fine if you understand it.
I believe I do understand it, and that it is the first thing about me,
really, who I really am. Do you understand it?
Stephen writes: Of course. Nothing can be added to creation, and nothing taken away from the eternal, so I am that that is, co-creator with the divine, which is nondual, nonpersonal, the full nothingness of ever-expanding infinity. It can also be seen as the Christian trinity: I and the father are one in the spirit. It can't be expressed in words, of course, hence the symbols. I would like to hear your expression of it.
"I and the father are one in the spirit". Hummmm. How coincidental. Ganderat what I just wrote (first in the sequence), just a little bit below.
We do all have to play by the same rules though. It is in fact The Golden Rule, or a refinement of it, the "do unto others" rule. It is shared by virtually all religions. It is "the" formula. There is really no reason we couldn't have been playing by that same rule all along, I mean we _do_ all have the same rule already, but we . . . . forgot?
Stephen writes: It's a good rule but limited by its nature (being a rule). It's as good a guide as you will get for the thinking mind, but the problem is this: you may not wish to be treated as I would treat myself.
I believe The Golden Rule is a guideline first, as in "a working-rule", and a sound one, a sound model. The new wording, Equals Treat Equals Equally [and interpreted as being a near substitute for the older "do unto others" Golden Rule, meaning this particular interpretation of the phrase E+E=E regardless of it's other interpretations, like those of like-strata in a hierarchy treating each other equally, but treating no-one else as your equal, or not habitually so anyway) is I think? more flexible and more precise and directed and focussed at something else altogether, maybe (I'm winging-it Stephen, I'm improvising, I always do).
It's about recognizing the undeniably common-needs and common potentials, common-benefits of cooperation, and common societal long-term benefits of how we treat and nurture educate facilitate the unique talents of our children. The interpretations the might come more easily due to the new wording might lead us to seeing that: _children_ are _equal_ to _us_.
If we really treated children as sensitives, they might grow up to be. We beat it out of them, their good sense, their feeling and feelings. We lie to them all the time. We do punish them unreasonably. We do not make sure they spend a good deal of time in nature to experience it's beauty, hence theirs, or for them to know what feeling "balanced" is, and to feel that their own real ideal "levels" are. We stress them out. The modern world stresses everyone out. We agree to live in cages like animals (apartment houses and cramped cities) -- who we also treat as being less that Equal to ourselves. We expect to be able to communicate with spacemen someday, yet we can't even communicate with the other animals we share this planet with, let alone treat them decently or care what we do to them in general. _They_ are "the aliens among us". We kill them for the fun of it. We send people to jail for smoking or selling pot. This is such a crime, pot, really? We do create monsters. We are monsters, and brutes, all too often.
We don't cater to our children's real needs, for love and nurturing, and to be seen and heard and appreciated and helped and respected. We are now breaking our backs to make them all the same. That's what the "No Child Left Behind Act" IS. Uniform testing. All (of them) unfulfilled. Children are not the same in everything and in all ways, but one thing they do definitely do is _mimic_ us, any and all elder than themselves, our values, what we do compared to what we say. What we value and should value.
People of successive generations don't really value and dream of "different" things, not really. It's those common values dreams and needs that we are Equal in. If those more precise and universal common values dreams and needs were met, and formed the basis of our common shared belief-system and our very values _themselves_, then we would be "one" enough to survive, and thrive, and suffer less and less as time when by. We might be able to break a cycle. The best teachers paid best. Artists, _real_ artists, funded and facilitated. Who would benefit most by that? The best medicine and research facilities populated by the best minds, And the "best minds" being dictated and tracked/guided/facilitated because we made a point of encouraging and identifying natural talents and gifts, and not determine or fill slots by reason of income-level and privilege, or because they want a high-status high-paying "job". And the products of same, the truly best "creative" minds making the suffering caused by illnesses and traumas and aging less and less as time goes by. We waste ALL of our "natural" resources.
_Children_ are _equal_ to _us_. We make then in our own image. They reflect us, in the important things at least. They are us. We _all_ are and remain children, little boys and little girls, in so many ways, until the day we die, in our hearts, and heart of hearts. We do have compassion, but do have enough, and do we do enough, or the right kinds of things that might make the difference, difference enough to break a cycle, difference enough to make Equals Treat Equals Equally an Earthly Reality instead of just so many pretty words. Flat our lips, we do, a lot.
Stephen writes: Access is then needed to the source of love (within) for illumination as the to the best (optimum) course of action for all concerned.
Iif there's still enough time -- and time, Stephen, is the thing in the equation that still bothers me. If Maya does know the answer, please bring her, now. It's time.
Stephen writes: She's going to say what she always does: I am an illusion. There is no time, only an appearance of time. "Ask and you shall receive" is a universal truth.
But I have asked, and asked, for many things, and not unreasonable things. Am I simply impatient? I don't think so.
Stephen writes: The block to getting what you want is fear. If some part of you is afraid to have it, or doesn't believe you deserve it, it doesn't come because the universe answers the prayer of the heart, not what you ask for in words. When the heart (true desire) and will (true will, which is always loving) are truly aligned, all power in heaven and earth is given to you as it is to me.
Fear, you say fear is problem number one. If that is true, and I play this game of yours a minute and applied only our topic at hand, then I would have to say it would be my fear that I will not be able to communicate myself fully and clearly, clearly enough to be understood. Or/and my fear that I would not be able to put into practice myself the things I knew had to be done, as my part of the deal. For if I did succeed, my fears might finally begin to gradually recede, because the threat would in fact be vanishing.
Am I asking for the wrong things? I don't think they're wrong. Am I asking the right things but just not _all_ the right things? Am I putting myself and my needs before others too much?
Stephen writes: Ask what it is the things you are asking for will really give you and see if that is what you really want. What most people are really asking for when they ask for stuff is the experience they believe it will give them. A positive experience (usually, if the mind is reasonably sane). A first step is to ask for what you think you want and then let it go, because if you are willing to have the underlying experience rather than insisting on the thing in a particular form, the universe then has an opportunity to fulfil your request in another form that may actually be better for you.
You can't let this one go Stephen. This is redress and change time, all around, and now, in "now-time". There may well be very little time left Stephen. The ice-caps are melting, the Jehadists are waco, nuclear weapons are still spreading, our military is spread thin, we may be the waco party ourselves, Warming/Weather/Food/Ecomomic-Political-Collapse/War. This has to be Job-One, and ASAP.
Stephen writes: Ultimately, there is no asking because the experience of love is constant and all that is needed and all earthly needs are met in a flow of abundance that furthers the ultimate goal. Then there is just gratitude and no need for asking.
Horse poop. Prayers and feel-gooding and are not enough -- although we had better start saying our prayers if we don't wake up, yesterday. We need a thing in a particular form, a very particular form, and we need in now, in Earthly Reality and real _time_. The "underlying experience", and "give the Universe the opportunity to fill my request", you say? This is God or Spacemen to the rescue again Stephen. It is _US_ we humans, who have to ride-out, TONIGHT. We have to change quick.
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:00:01 GMT
Subject: Re: UK Musicians read this now!!!!!!!!!
Equals Treat Equals Equally
0+0=0
The End of Suffering
This is fine if you understand it.
I believe I do understand it, and that it is the first thing about me,
really, who I really am. Do you understand it?
Isn't it amazing that perhaps the single most beloved and well known image in perhaps the whole world is the Madonna and child. This "special" child and the unambiguous love and nurturence we assume is being and will be bestowed upon it, for eternity, by it's "parent", in this case it's mother, Mary. It's not Jesus who's the subject, it's "the child" and "all children". It is in fact the wisest thing any group of well-meaning elder guides could have left for us. It is _very_ specific, focused, and precise. To miss it, is to see things that are not there, and not see what is there, right in front of our eyes. The message is clear. And we ARE blind. We don't need psychics or to search for "hidden" mysteries. All we need is the meaning of plain language, and plain "symbols" of truth, beauty, justice, love, brotherhood, intent, community, and spirit. Let us check our math.
== Faith Revival ==
"Halo"
Believe
in the Golden Rule
of halo surrounds
in trinity trust
0+0=0
Equals Treat Equals Equally
Our Children Equal Us
Roger
From: MikeMandaville
Date: 21 Mar 2007 15:17:46 -0700
P.S. Mike Mandaville supplied line-one.
Astounding.
Why does that astound you? I don't recall how it happened exactly, but last night I read every single one and word of Mike's posts for the last four months, as many as there were in my news-reader cache, and I found him fascinating, enough to spend those four hours doing it if that tells you anything. I think I like him, quite a bit actually, what I've been able to ascertain so far just by doing that alone I mean. I'm still puzzled by a few things, but that doesn't really bother me right now. I could be blind, suckered, and duped, hood-winked, proven wrong in the end, but on the face of it at least I don't think I or anyone has anything to worry about. Someone accused me recently of perhaps _being_ Mike Mandaville in disguise, who until just last night had somehow escaped my radar completely. I didn't even know who Mike was. But I think I may have to count it as a compliment now, that mistake in identity -- but then, we are one anyway ;-)
Roger
Roger, I answered this post seven hours ago, but my answer hasn't shown up yet, so I will answer again, and then delete any duplicate post of mine which might show up thereafter.
I consider it to be a very significant complement that you have gone
back and read my posts. I have had you on my radar screen since you first arrived here after my own arrival, which was less than six
months ago.
You made the claim back then that we deserve better than we get on\ this newsgroup, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Since your arrival, furthermore, we have been getting better, and I want you to know that I appreciate that.
I am going to keep this post short, since I have already had to retype
it once. In the future, though, I assure you that you will be hearing more from me.
And, by the way, I am an aspiring mystic. Perhaps we could compare notes.
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:17:11 GMT
From: MikeMandaville
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: 21 Mar 2007 15:17:46 -0700
Subject: Re: UK Musicians read this now!!!!!!!!!
And, by the way, I am an aspiring mystic. Perhaps we could compare notes.
Hi Mike, nice to meet you.
Thank you for the kind words _and_ for the key phrase, "the hook" '-)
My notes tell me that good things need reviving and re-saying in new ways continually. My notes also tell me that artists are often attuned to "good things" by nature, They are also attuned to themselves, their own nature. more than many. It is of their nature, the best of them, to meet the call to duty and rise to service. It is simply who they are and what they do best, because that is where their _hearts_ are. It is important to me that "the real ones" know what "real ones" look like, to recognize their own selves perhaps, and if only that.
I have more notes, but those came first, and so be it.
again, nice to touch bases.
So what cards are you holding as we speak?
Roger
Other thread "Re: AGB FAQ Wiki", March 22nd and 23rd:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/msg02205.html
and
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/msg02224.html
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From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:57:24 GMT
From: Charmed Snark
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: 22 Mar 2007 20:18:15 GMT
Subject: Re: AGB FAQ Wiki
I may be late reporting to the mother ship, but I don't want to be your
leader.
You are not late. The Equation-ship is led by a statement which I am unable to express to you fully at this time
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:22:48 GMT
From: "raymo"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:36:41 +1100
Subject: Re: AGB FAQ Wiki
What if it was authored by the 'AGB WIKI TEAM'? That would surely differentiate such a subset from the rest of the group (should that be a concern). I mean, let's face it - this group aint moderated, opinions will always vary, no one's losing any money (or countenance, based on some threads I've seen here), so what's at stake, really?
Raymo.
Hello Raymo;
I think your "AGB Wiki Team" idea is one of the best ideas I've heard all day, this new day of ours. Spring my have sprung by golly. I think people should flesh that out a little more, and it may be very simple. I suspect many things may be simpler that once though, once people put their heads together. I'm all for it. It's not so much about differentiating one group from another though, it's about community. I think that's an important distinction. What's at stake? really? Without getting all mystical on you I'll just say a
good learning lesson. If I _were_ to get mystical about it though, I might say: our lives, our planet, our future, our children, and stuff like that. But there's really nothing very cryptic in there. That's pretty simple language and concepts I think.
You know, I was just prompted to consult Wikipedia for the meaning of the words Mysticism, mystic, mystical, and was very pleasantly surprised. I honestly didn't really know. I think it's worth sharing with you now, what I learned, for some strange reason.
.. . ."Mysticism from the Greek mustik?V (mustikos) "an initiate" (of the Eleusinian Mysteries, must?ria (musteria) meaning "initiation"[1]) is the pursuit of achieving communion or identity with, or conscious awareness of, ultimate reality, the divine, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, or insight; and the belief that such experience is an important source of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom . . .
Very odd. And the timing, impeccable.
I think we are cooking now Greg.
I think I may owe Stephen an apology. Mystics are _exactly_ what we need right now. My my.
I will have to do some home work now, This I find interesting, I have to narrow things down, focus it better. No "ultimate reality" weirdness in terms of the end of "cosmic time" or something. The end or final reality, face reality, what is real in the end is what matters. I have lots to play with here yet. We gotta keep it real, this I know, it's key. I was meaning I have to lean more about what the earlier mystics said, did, left behind for us or something. If I'm barking up the wrong tree I'll keep looking, elsewhere. Can't hurt, we need help, lots of masters at what they do. Talented people who want to help but don't know how, yet. If we put our lives in the hands of our politicians, we will die. If we put our lives in the hands of an army of artists, we might just pull this off. I mean we need lots of help from many quarters. But who has their hearts in it? Who's the most creative? Lots of intelligence too, brain pool. Many messages, many recipients, targeted. specifically to them. And which thems? No time to f**k around. Go as high up as you can get. Cut the right corners. The delivery matters, simplicity matters. What to they need. Meet their need, somehow, as if lives depended upon it. In the end, what would you give, how many inches? Do they understand we are in deep ***? They need to understand we are in
deep ***. Make them understand. Use language they will understand. It can be done. Models, models, models. We know about models. Time for a revival alright. Arise, please. Make it attractive, beautiful. Artists are the masters of that, it's what we do, best. It is childs-play to us, but we do take it seriously. And music, it is the high art. Musicians have so much power, if they only knew. Sing, I beg you. Interpretation. by very careful, and good at it. Reinterpret, it's tricky business. Find the flip-side interpretation if you need it. Either or both and neither. That helped me, for some things, but be careful, interpretation is crazy *** sometimes. Filter carefully. X-factor(s). Stuff happens. Rest, food, exhaustion, We know that too, artist's do. Been there many times no doubt, haven't you. Lord, if you multiply and combine those creative juices, for one single collective objective, what is it that can't be done? Need money? Be honest. People want to help. Tell them _exactly_ what you are doing, your intent. Experienced planers. Master Planners. Not just artists either, per say. An army of artists. What models do armies use that we can us, to our benefit, peacefully. Masterplanners are one thing. They are many things. They know many hats, inside and out. That's why they can put the pieces together. I never knew an artist who wasn't an explorer by nature. When you explore you learn. It does add up. Why am I telling you this? I'm just winging it. I don't know why, other than it feels right, to me, and right now. I told Stephen, if Maya knows the answer, please bring her, now. It's time. The next day, or was it two?, it came. It doesn't matter who or what Maya is, I don't think, what mattered was the intent. I was really serious, when I said those words, it's time, That's a word Stephen has been using a lot, intent. It happened here, at AGB, so where else should I say it. Is this just all crazy ***? Am I making any sense to anyone here? Am I boring anyone too much? I do apologize for that, taking so much of your time. I have to read this once before I send it. Well even a scan up the page tells me it's not all that long. Lots of content at least, or at least I think so '-).
I have learned a lot being here, a whole lot. I owe you my thanks, everyone at AGB. You see, I am a beginner too. I can interpret that last sentence many ways though. I've practiced that art, of interpretation. I may be a master at it, on a good day. So why am I telling this stuff to you, I'm doing the best I can, to help you. That's all I've ever wanted. It may contain a few pearls, like a gift or two. Years ago I said here, "they left you a gift", that's what artists do. That's what artists do. I want you to be you.
0-Roger
And another thread "Think", Rogers two posts from the 24th of March:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/msg02349.html
and
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-03/msg02437.html
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:59:13 GMT
"David Raleigh Arnold" wrote in message
news:f42Nh.30142$zJ1.2634@
Let's restate the question a bit more clearly.
There should be two ways of figuring out how many note names there are. There are seven natural notes, and each of them can be
sharped #
double sharped x
flatted b
and and double flatted bb
so each of those 7 has five different associated notes, which means that there are 35 note names altogether.
There are 12 pitches. If each pitch has three aliases or versions,
as Db = C# = Bx, then there are 36 notes altogether.
Where is the flaw? daveA
To my eyes, this jewel has many flaws.
Matters such as these are not attractive:
- Lack of Simplicity
- Poor Communications
- Poorly crafted tools
- Ambiguous and Confusing Names
- Questionable Identity
- Interpretation Difficulty
- Name-in-vain Aliases*
- Ghost-Aliases**
- Doppelganger Ghost-Aliases***
- Induced Frustration and Anxiety
- Compounded Road-blocks to Success
- Joy-of-Learning insultation
- Learners feeling stupid or crazy when their teachers say; "Allizwell, fine and dandy, must be you who are deficient. You're just not trying hard enough".
* Thieving-Aliases fraudulently taking the name of another as their own
** Aliases pointing to non-existing ghost-addresses making no real,
satisfactory, nor sustainable long-term resolution possible. Catastrophe! Vapors are unreliable. They disappear.
*** Two or more different Ghost-Aliases, each being frauds in their own right, _both_ pointing to the same non-existing ghost-address.
Music is hard by nature. Your suffering can not be helped. It is a gift. Have you forgotten?
I am for clarity and jewel-grade stones. Her Majesty would have my head for such as these.
0-Roger
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 04:55:44 GMT
From: David Raleigh Arnold
Where is the flaw? daveA
To my eyes, this jewel has many flaws.
Matters such as these are not attractive:
Wrong. There is a simple answer. daveA
Any speller built of seven gives results like these. You'd need one having twelve things to avoid it. You will not like this answer but I am not to blame. The matter of it all is now before you.
Roger
and in another thread on the 24th: Not reading my messages?
Roger E. Blumberg March 24 2007 3:25 pm
From: "M.Butzin"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:30:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Not reading my messages?
MikeMandavil wrote;
During the past two days, three of my messages have not been received. Therefore, if you are not reading some of my messages this is because those messages have not been received. Have a good day.
Roger replied;
You should still have copies of sent messages in the box of your sent mail. Could you not just send them over wire again? If a double should appear they still wouldn't get it.
;-)
0-Roger
M.Butzin replied;
No they were in CODE and the word was messages "not" reading some of my messages. Ya gotta use the special light to see the words on the screen, Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales must be lurking...SSShhh! Mas Putos.....
MB;-)
Roger replied;
My interpreters are lunching, but hello old friend MB. The OP could have made a fair mistake. My lights are doin best they can but I am only human. When I can do I will do and listen closer. Mr Cheney and Alberto are very busy men, and even they are made of children deep inside. I know that's not much comfort and it seems so way OT, Esperanto may just be the death of me.
How ya doing? :)
Roger out
[End insertions from other threads during tis sequence of days]
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:59:31 GMT
From: MikeMandaville
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: 25 Mar 2007 06:28:19 -0700
Subject: Re: UK Musicians read this now!!!!!!!!!
On Mar 18, 6:04?am, "Lumpy" wrote:
Saying your prayers in public is simply
inviting someone to bash your head in
with a baseball bat.
In the Islamic world, _not_ saying your prayers in publuc _is_ punishable by immediate violence. Someone comes and holds a stick over your head, and the violence begins.
Lumpy, I get the feeling that you don't really care much whether a person prays or does not pray, just so long as you can be the one to walk around with a stick.
You would not believe the look of horror on my face when I read this. And _this_ is what we are dealing with? God help us indeed. This is the new and improved religion?? They have the _same_ Golden Rule or guidance teaching -- I saw at Wiki-p at least. Mike, do you know a lot about Islam? I noted with interest your familiarity with Chinese students over here. That too is very important. We all have _much_ work to do. ALL of us. Pardon my shouting :)
Mike, whatever Lumpy is, or is online (sometimes), the point he is trying to make, once communicated well, probably has some validity. We all need to cut to the chase, come together, if and where we can. I am not perfect, God knows, nor a Master of conflict-resolution, yet (Stephen, maybe I can [help] write that book yet, as you claimed I could-do or that I had it in me to do), but we have to start now, see how many degrees of separation there really are, or that if attended-to and with _intent_, any one of them (conflicts), might? be possible to resolve.
It does usually take two though, one to speak, one to listen. The
communication can be verbal, or body language (perhaps) or some other means, and the "listener" listens with as many senses as he/she can muster, if the intent is there. They might intuit. "Intuition", or as it is _usually_? thought of, is not infallible though, because it still requires info being filtered through your own particular set of beliefs, assumptions, knowledge, details, conclusions, fears, interpretations. More on this later. The point is, what is the point (I ask myself, being sleep-deprived again and zonking out periodically ;-), the point is . . .
Lumpy does not want to see anyone get their head kicked in, I am confident of that. He is not evil. There is something else going on here, in his particular case, because sadly there are monsters, human-made who might not mind seeing you get your head kicked in, as they are now wired and interpreting and filtering and reacting by conditioning and habit, or perhaps some true mental damage, apart from emotional damage, or some true deficiency in intellect, if only under-developed but potentially still there.
We may need conflict-resolution, and psychology 101, and negotiation 101, strategy, fund-raising, (and I will no doubt add to this list) type books right now _more_ than we need "mystical" teachings books. Am I making myself clear? We must learn to live as one, in harmony, Globally, It's time. You start where you are at right now and work outwards from there. We have to learn _how_. They forgot to teach us how, the particulars of it. Either that or we forgot, or we are so stressed and time-limited day to day that we just say F-it I need to get this done _now_ get out of my way! We are not different! That's good to know but only a start. Is there the intent? You have to _want_ it. Do you want it? Make up your minds quickly please. We can not miss this boat, but do not panic either, please. I don't know how to do this using only flowers and beads. I don't want to induce fear, but we have to be realistic, be real. I'm trying my best here, believe that at least.
I am not being alarmist I don't think. Please open your eyes. We are heading for disaster very likely, some way or some how. The number of possible scenarios are mind boggling. The only way we can survive, it seems to me, is to _do_ this. Those are the FAQs. Unless you think this is only a drill. If that's what you believe then as I said earlier we need ways to "show and tell" so that people will begin to realize what is our current condition and state of being is. I may not be here to see it, any of what might happen in future. I may be dead already of natural cuases. Do you want your children to see it?, what _we_ created for _them_? How much longer do you think we can put it off? Please check your watches, and your pulse rates.
If at any point you start feeling a little frightened, that is good. Fear is not the enemy, not the only one that is. Ignorance and lack of communication are also enemies (other things too might be added to a list of "real" enemies). Fear is there for a reason. It is there to warn you of danger. It is a survival mechanism, natural. It is not bad, in and of itself. Fear connected to weird programming is though. By weird I mean incomplete programming or bad programming, not enough information or just bad information. If it adds up to fear, inappropriately, in our minds, then fear _is_ an enemy. Nevertheless, if at any point you start to tingle with fear, heart racing a bit, and weak a little, cold hands, icy cold washes over you, hairs on body stand, that kind of stuff, as you consider the future of human kind, yourselves and your loved ones, that means you are beginning to "get it". That kind of fear is at least initially appropriate. Listen to it and do not ignore it. When you pull yourself together, maybe the next day, then you may find your "intent" levels and objectives begin to focus a little better. [There is the matter of fake or false or synthetic? _mock_ fear too though, ill health, bad heart or air deprived, not enough sleep ;-) (exhaustion) heart racing feels like fear. Similar somehow to smiling on purpose to release happy chemicals in your body, i.e. Opposite type of thing, but good thing, is also true.] How our bodies can trick us.
How did you feel on the day of 9/11? Please stop right now and remember yourself watching your TV screen that day. That was a wake up call. I bet you were frightened. You did, even on the face of it, have good reason to be frightened and in a state of shock and horror. Renegades. How do you control them? OOPS.
Books on Government(s) and Religions, population growth, we need those too, We need _people_ who know. The internet. We could not have done this without the internet. Use it.
Mike, I think you will forgive my long-winded-ness. It is who I am :)
And one more thing. We must get beyond the differences among our Religions and Spirituality-school beliefs (though knowing what those differences are is good), which sort of means we have to get beyond them period. All the extraneous bits I mean. Cut through it. Get to the core, the common core. We don't have time to wallow in extraneous particulars unless absolutely necessary at any given time, person, what ever. We must, we have to, for now, try to not worry about the end of cosmic time, or what happens to us after we die, and things like that. We have to worry about not dying, not dying on earth (staying alive), destroying ourselves _or_ the earth. We need to bring it back down to earthly reality of the moment, our present, here now. Is that so hard to do?
I think I am worm food after I die. You may think you are going to meet God in Heaven. Others may think they are martyring themselves and going to be with a couple dozen virgins for their heavily pleasures to partake. Cut through that when you can. When you can't, you may have problems, or then again you many not have problems, depends on the particulars of the person or group. Some groups are not dangerous in any event. But some I would have to believe are. That _is_ frightening. That is the problem. Any time you can not resolve, for whatever reason, renegades and rouges in the extreme-negative sense of the term, when communication, between states lets say, and communications networks between them, break down, or were nonexistent in the first place, no diplomat to contact or something, no intermediary or agent, no way to get through, no way to keep track of (and fear comes . . . ).
And _food_. War in the streets is even worse than contained warring armies (I have to imagine). If global warming or climate changes impacts food production enough, even you will kill for food. Please know who you are and what you can do and are capable of if you need to. It would not be pretty. If you couldn't kill someone, someone else may be willing to do it to you.
Other OOPs-factors: global epidemic type things, disease (bird-flue or plague type), super volcanoes, asteroids. Someday they will happen again. We would need some now order in place I think. Community is a _survival_ matter. A key player dies? I don't know. If you loose your king? If you can replace your king or council with an equal you may be ok. Other key players?, agents, diplomats, advisors, Generals, spiritual or religious leaders. If anyone can reach an Islamic terrorist renegade (as just one example) it might be a leader of his sect. Who else could? A child maybe? I mean only and simply what we all have in our _hearts_. We all melt for children, are _disarmed_ by them (as a rule, but not everyone is predictable and sane, or something). A puppy? A bullet in the head?
What ever we do (and I lost my thought there) so I'll check my notes for another . . . remember that Allies abound, they are everywhere. We are good, and we are good at heart, and our intent is good. Good intentions can pave the road to hell if misplaced meaning not placed in accord with wisest place and path, and wise time too I guess.
Leaders taking the name of it's people in vain is not good, what ever
country it is occurring in. Are they taking our names and wishes in vain is a question to consider carefully. Even if sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. As a rule perhaps they do (take our names in vain)? it often seems, or maybe is it that we have not communicated our wishes to them clearly? Or that there are no good candidates? or we forget to vote? I don't know all, trust me ;-)
The above is premised on the assumption that we understand that I mean by "wishes of the people". If all your people are crazy and you tell your leaders to do crazy things, that is not good, if said leaders follow the wishes of it's people I mean. I had to come back to write these last few lines here surrounding before sending. Democracy is good assuming voters know what is actually going on and are voting with good intent and good information and things like that. But "the winner", who ever that person is, or what ever party he or she is affiliated with, the winner is then in charge to a good degree I guess regardless. That then is what and who we are
working with -- or whoever _really_ is in charge if not that one person. If Congress is in charge, or/and all checks and balances are working well and right, I think? we are ok (I'm winging it here). But I think sometimes things and balances are not working right. I don't know. I am tired and a little frightened myself as I write, truth be told. All I know is that, we have to use our heads. I don't know what's going on. I don't need to know the particulars. As I said somewhere in here, the scenario possibilities of things going awry in the world are many. All I know is that you can take your pick ;') none of them look good.
Trying to cover so many basses in one message is maybe not good. I know so little. I'm just a regular guy. I swear to you. This is America. Free Speech is my Right, or so I've been told. I am not spewing hate nor advocating toppling governments (I don't think?). I am talking about using our heads. Are our combined global governments doing what we need for us to survive. They need to get together, better, or better than it looks to me, from where sit, is all I can say and claim to know. All I want is cooperation. I am easy to please. I would also like a place to sleep well and safely and in healthfull nice environs and things like that in real time now. But that's just my needs. I am a poor artist, I mean green-back deficient "poor".
"_Freedom_" to survive, pursuit of happiness (fulfillment, of our individual unique gifts and talents), all men are created equal (oops! where have I/we/you heard that before??!! I don't have the energy right now to look up the rest of it all, our other national slogans :) OOPs I just remembered one more. "In God we trust"? Now what are we going to do with this one? Is that the fly in the ointment as they say, the deal breaker? ok. Then _trust_ in God's Golden Rule: "Equals Treat Equals Equally". If only just _that_ (without the other baggage if you'll forgive me for the moment). Will that be enough do you think? Enough for us all to come closer together. If we can all agree to that, and all of it's implications and interpretations too, not least of which is that Our Children Are Equal to Us. My oh my. That would be something. Simple?
I do know that many things can become a sword, many mediums and art forms. Laughter is good medicine, for example. Disarming, isn't it, magnetic, I like you, you make me laugh. No deceit required either. Many things can become a sword, all you have to do is pick one. The one you feel like, the one you know best, the one you're a _natural_ at. Your gift. It is time to _give_ it. I want you to be you. That is why you are here. To fulfill your dreams and destiny. That is what is in every human heart.
One World, united under "something" (if not everything) a guiding principle I'm sorry, but we may have no other choice (sooner or later). Let us check our math (and pray ;-) The math of adding up what we see going on around us, and this math too:
0+0=0
all same (at heart, really, underneath it all)
no opposites
"Equals Treat Equals Equally"
Peace on Earth? Is there any other way to do it, make it happen, facilitate it happening? I don't even think we necessarily need to "love" each other per say. This may be a shocker, but true, I think (I'm winging this, all of it). When we are through with this, we may well all love each other, and for good reason. At this point though we need less. We need to recognize that we have no choice but to cooperate, see what _is_ common-need in our hearts and on our planet, and see that we are in trouble. When a natural disaster strikes, people come together (and not before?) and work like family. You don't give a darn what religion the guy next to you is, right. You don't necessarily "love" him, right? You simply become human, you help, and you cooperate. You survive. _Simple_. Do we always have to wait till it's at our door, the last minute? Can we not "predict" the future sometimes, anticipate what's up ahead, intuit it? Is is not at our door in fact? Please open the door and check, just for the heck. If we can survive long enough that our children's children can "love" each other truly, if that is what's needed or possible or something, brought up all of them in a new world themselves, new values and education systems in place, we will have succeeded I guess, we will have turned the tide in time, Well then that may be the time to pat ourselves on the back. Good job, people! ;-)
Takes lots of people. I've been stressing the role of _artists_. It's key. I do believe that. But people are people. They all have something to give. They're all good at something. Mysticism, as far as I can tell, is based on really _grounded_ ideas. If you are a carpenter, you know about tools, and making your own tools, about materials, and how to make stuff. There are analogies that you can make that all other carpenters at least would understand. All other crafts, trades, arts. same thing. I mention artists in part because they are _trend setters_ taste-makers, they are either at or near the helm in the "communications" industry. Everything you see on TV, every program or advertisement, or radio, or music CD, or in a Book, has an *art-director* and *artists* _directly_ involved. Please do realize the implications of that _potential_. That is what I'm talking about here people. Our hands are in _everything_. We are already in position, our army. All we have to do is realize we are, and what we are, and . . . . it may be more "simple" than we thought !!!! ;)) Oooo. I am _very_ happy now. But still, not all artists are conscious or informed enough either, to be sure. So we have to educate each other, ourselves.
Who's paying for the shows and ads and air time commercials. Corporations. Are they all bad? Really? That seems kind of silly to me. So who or what is the enemy then?
ok, I think that about wraps that up for the moment.
Again. I hope I didn't waste your time. :)
Oh, and one more thing, a song.
Slow down, you're moving to fast
got to make the morning last.
take a breath
Music is good stuff. None gooder.
Dally not though :)
Trust (good) intuition
They say, "you have what you need", you have all you need, you have what you need. Think, trust, remember, believe in your selves, do, and talk to each other too, of course ;-) That's what I'm doing here, talking to my community, where I am right now.
All my best to you and to us.
If you have any questions or comments, or something to add . . . begin.
Roger°
P.S. If I can do it once can I do it again? Shall I practice? Do you mind too much if I do it here? A trial run, Will it fly? Does it have it's wings? A good enough voice too, to rise above. Will it harm me? Am I in danger? Something to fear? being honest like this
shall we see? . . . . if I send this . . . now . . . .
It might be better if all my recent posts, their content, were included in here some how, into one whole freestanding message and statement, but it's all in the record, and if this is just a trial run I can polish it up next time. I am a perfectionist, but I'm not prefect ;-)
It's Time°
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:53:06 GMT
[If you have any questions or comments, or something to add . . . begin.
Roger°
I have one comment.
1 must die
to become zero
0+0=0
better solution
not all "1"
all Equal
Peace
[and a later thread ,"Here's one for Roger", being a week after "The Letter" and "The Statement"]
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar.beginner/2007-04/msg00670.html
Re: Here's one for Roger
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:02:37 GMT
From: Paul
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:37:50 -0400
Subject: Here's one for Roger
[and anyone else interested in delving into the inner workings of the fretboard]
Hey Roger, I have the feeling that you and this guy could understand each other :
http://web.mac.com/noshufuru/iWeb/TheNatureofGuitar/Welcome.html
I know it'll take me a while to digest.
Paul
Hi Paul;
Sorry for the delay. I recently saw a bit of this and filed it away for later (is now I guess) and it does look interesting to me. I'll have to go over it a bit and see if our (his and mine) interpretations and maths are in sync.
or example, well, yes, I was right. I just gave it a second look. If you
use zero as your tonic rather than one, then the patterns line up as I would have suspected they should do (if there was something to it, real secret? and sacred musical geometry that is). Mind you, a one-based numbering system has it's uses too, but.
So, for example, on his page-one. linked below . .
http://web.mac.com/noshufuru/iWeb/TheNatureofGuitar/pg.%201.html
.. . when I saw the minor third interval "diamond" pattern (inside a circle in this illustration), I jotted down on paper, 0 3 6 9 and said to myself "a full dim7 chord"?, which I looked at with some surprise at first, but then I compared the Major 3rd pattern, the triangle, and it made sense to me. That is, things _were_ in fact working in-sync (zero-based musical interval numbers and such sacred musical interval geometry). I doubt strongly that Pat Martino understands quite what he has (nor do I fully I'll have to assume and admit). I mean, I believe he understands it intuitively, or/and he knows there _is_ an interesting pattern(s) and system going on under the hood there, and these same patterns may well be fairly common knowledge (I'm not sure), but the translation mechanism, zero-based numbers is my lingua Franka, which few others resort to by nature or by default. That's what "The Cipher" is (in part), BTW, on my web site, including among other things full translation tables (diatonic to and from chromatic formula numbers, intervals, scales, chords).
http://www.TheCipher.com/intervals_tbl-1.html
I have been working a bit on additional or analogues parts strictly at the interval level (as well), because intervals _are_ the building blocks. On this particular page, page one, he covers only three intervals, Major and minor thirds, and the tri-tone, all of which jive with my interpretations as well. A more generic visualization is a simple clock-face. On a clock-face 12 o-clock is also functioning as zero (0). Octaves, in both music and time (in our shared and local earth-system of time, and probably more) using chromatic numbers (zero-based numbers) are at 0, 12, 24 degrees (i.e. nice multiples).
By the way, if you tune to _pure_ fifths, you will get a _spiral_, not a closed loop, in other words a "time machine" in effect '-), I suspect. So we can see how and why "timing" is so important to music. '-) Time, might be the "third dimension" I suspect (in some systems), and the fourth dimension in other systems. One based systems and zero-based systems. Local time is hard to pin-down though, sometimes -- different calendars, different time-zones, etc.
Also, if one takes these things to 3-dimensional "space", sacred geometric shapes, solids, you can see still more things. Note for example, the tetrahedron, a 3 sided pyramid, is made of three triangles, and is the first "solid".
Triangles, are a fundamental building-block in physical space. In other "spaces" things made of "three as a team", a trinity, trine, triad, etc. are also fundamental. Father-Son-Spirit, land-sea-sky, Body-mind-spirit, many many many such trinities and "triads" should be examined and made whole and healthy, I'm thinking these days. I've been tempted to call these "perfect equals", such trios, analogues to 0+0+0 =0 perhaps. Zero is in fact "Perfection", or the representation of it in number and math.
Tetrahedrons have three sides, but they also have a _base_ of the same shape, giving you a total or 4 "sides". So here is another example of "something" which might be described as being made of 3 or of 4 (and having a one thing "offset" in the math systems).
Lots of interesting stuff to wed -- given good interpreters, zero, music, and much more and more people too, I think. ;-)
I just went back and looked at some more of his pages and he does seem to have that same eye for pattern, including mirrors, and perhaps other opposites, inversions, symmetries, etc (I haven't seen all pages of his presentation yet). And the dedication or opening looks interesting too, the guy he mentions and his book and union-making work. I would like to talk to him, Pat, some day.
Thanks Paul. Nice when we don't have to reinvent the wheel in it's entirely every time. ;-) "Puttin out heads together" is a good thing in general ;-)
Interesting to note. Take a rubber band. Think of it as zero. Now stretch it around a bit, anyway you want. Now give it one twist and you get the infinity symbol ? or the number 8. Now fold it in on itself, like a spiral might do. That is, make a mobius strip of it. Cut it at some point, give one end a half-twist and reconnect it. Now stretch that around a bit. Now think of that as Time. Can we suspend time? Now any intervals that give you a sense of suspending time? Can you stop time? Can you make it loop or bend or change direction the way you want it too? Can you change "destiny", change the tide in time? Is time fixed? I don't know fer sure, but you might be able to accelerate or slow it down some, enough to do what? Not sure yet.
I would be nice to patch or run-interference (canceling) on that dam ozone hole and ultra-violet problem quickly though '-). And I think it can be done. But then, there's other x-factors. Putting our heads together, to think and to create is good, to pray too, is good, sometimes, like now-time perhaps. Hey, there's an interesting trio, think-create-pray. Maybe it is all "an experiment" after all. Let's hope it works! ;-) I would sure be drag and a shame to have come this far, we all, only to see it all go to waste, because we killed out planet, our home! They say there's still time, but not much, most everyone agrees.
Grace periods. I like that concept, that thing about most Time systems (I suspect). A fraction of some local-time clock or pattern, seems to be at play, unless I'm wrong. Offsets and syncs too, I'm thinking. But hey, I'm not perfect! ;-) Lot's to ponder. Bucky Fuller was a recent master of triangles I'm reminded. He did some pretty cool stuff, to say the least. I'll have to take a look at his master-work-piece book, Critical Path, it's been a while.
Thanks Paul
Roger
(another thread)
Roger E. Blumberg
Apr 18 2007, 7:06 pm
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
From: "Roger E. Blumberg"
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:06:53 GMT
Local: Wed, Apr 18 2007 7:06 pm
Subject: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
Anyone who _is_ interested in "living" needs to keep heads-up on a minimum of two fronts at once: the environment _and_ The Islamist (heretic) Terrorist movement sweeping the globe. Towards the later, this currently running PBS series is a must see (and I do mean *must see*).
(same thread; on April 20th 2007)
Here is your requested music lesson for the day:
Play a harmonic tritone interval on your guitar (six semitones wide, any b5 interval on two adjacent strings will do. Play the tones simultaneously, like a small chord).
Now observe the steps needed to "resolve" that discordant and dissonant interval of music to a minor 6th interval (the inversion of a Major 3rd). Call it a "picardy 6th" if you like -- that is, a surprise happy ending (a gift from your 16th century fellow musicians, to you).
Try it this way:
x56xxx
to...
x47xxx
Music is a key to Harmony. Few degrees of separation make a resolution -- a solution, acceptable to all parties.
Hope you like the mix.
Roger
P.S. Google "picardy 3rd".
Roger
(same thread; same day, on April 20th 2007, later post)
David;
One of the first two installments (of 11) in the series covers the birth and evolution of the anti-Mohammedans in detail. I was only able to see bits and pieces of those shows last Sunday night, but I think it's fair to say that Saudi Arabia's role and complicity is fairly recent in the scheme of things.
I don't think it would be a stretch to say that the founding of the state of Israel in the late 1940's, and thus Adolph Hitler, Imperial Great Britain, and the United Nations, among others, might be pointed to as fire-starters. Oh, and then there were the Crusades if I recall correctly. Be that as it may, more recently, in the fourth quarter of the 20th century, late 1970's and the decade of the 80's in particular, the very definite seeds of the extremist home-brewed fundamentalist counter-Islamic anti-Muslim Terrorist movement were sewn, and that part of the story is fairly thoroughly (it appeared to me) detailed in the initial documentary episodes. Do try to catch them on a re-run or DVD when you can.
By the way, last nights two installments were very very good, and tonight's final two episodes promise to be as well. Bill Moyers produced one of tonight's upcoming hours, so our kite-loving friend may want to watch as well.
I never knew that Thomas Jefferson, owned, read, and referred-to his personal copy of the Koran. All human-kind are created Equal. That much I have heard somewhere.
Roger°
(same thread; same day, on April 20th 2007, still later post)
Hi Derek;
Interesting to note, essentially to the contrary; it is not impossible to
trace linkages from early middle-eastern Ouds (some even with frets) through European lutes and guitars.
Also interesting to note; we received our now indispensable zero digit from the Arabs, meaning medieval period Islamic mathematicians, who I do suspect for delivering this gift. This guitarist at least, has made much hay from nothing (and all things). I now believe that if we-all were to gently, gracefully, and with all-due gratitude, hand zero _back_ to the Muslims, it and it's influence and benefits having now traveled round the world, if we were to return zero to it's lofty perch high atop a minaret, maybe even one
now disguised amid some later fashioned Cathedral (15th/16th century Spanish, try Toledo: http://www.wsu.edu:8001/~wldciv/tours/spain/tol10.jpg ), nestled, held, and supported comfortably in it's long awaiting "crescent moon" cradle, returned once-again home, well then I think we all might-could have a happy ending/beginning after all.
Let us pray -- we dally not.
Work to do, much to do. Forget our home-dot [0] not.
With or without it, we are naught.
But three dots make continue-ed . . .
Roger°
P.S. a wiki-check says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)#History_of_zero
. . "The Hindu numeral system(base 10) reached Europe in the 11th century, via the Iberian Peninsula through Spanish Muslims the Moors, together with knowledge of astronomy and instruments like the astrolabe, first imported by Gerbert of Aurillac. So in Europe they came to be known as "Arabic numerals". The Italian mathematician Fibonacci or Leonardo of Pisa was instrumental in bringing the system into European mathematics in 1202. . "
(same thread; same day, on April 20th 2007, still later post)
Hi Mark;
I just finished tonight's 2.5 hours of "homework". I'm a quick-study, but man what a mess. Are you meaning the hour that dealt with the Muslim Brotherhood, that's the episode the Saudi's tried to stop [or next Wednesday night's upcoming Moyer's Journal on PBS]?
I think the American people, and American Christians and Jews, and moderate American Muslims need to consciously and intent-fully make a real effort come together here in the States in a major way to try to offset at least some of the damage that's been done. It's won't be hard at all for the American groups to come together, we are all the same (excluding perhaps the so-called "Nation of Islam" Farrakhan Sect, at the outset at least), the hard part will be undoing the now-made-worse perceptions that America per say, and Democracy, and all Americans and Westerners, are "the enemy" of all Islam and all of it's ideals. Jesus, what a mess.
Interesting hybrid that's developed in Indonesia in the last 10 years. They have their own militant fundamentalist groups which are no joke, to be sure, but on the whole, seems pretty balanced. They, the Indonesians, have too much of their own distinct and fairly free native culture than to eat up all the middle-eastern fundamentalist dogma whole-hog. Won't fly there, or so it seems, and so we hope. . .
Roger
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